# Difficulty in explaining sample space

I am running into problems explaining to my students in high school what exactly is sample space in probabilities, especially with identical objects.

For example, according to Q6.2.3 of this UIC website, the sample space for a letter is chosen at random from the word “MISSISSIPPI” is S={M, I, S, P}. The reason given was the letters, for example S, are indistinguishable.

However, I have also seen solution to question such as:

“Write down the sample space of the experiment of drawing a marble at random from a bag containing 5 identical blue (B) marbles and 4 identical red (R) marbles.”

would be S={B1,B2,B3,B4,B5,R1,R2,R3,R4} but not S={B,R} like in the example above.

When a student asked me why is the marbles in the second example distinct if they are identical and I couldn’t really give a convincing answer. I explained that in the first example, we are not drawing a letter from a bag but instead we are picking a letter from the word right in front of us. So we either choose a M, I, S or P. But in the second example, the marbles are in a bag so we can’t see the balls. And when we pick, we don’t know what we will be drawing. But when a student asked “then wouldn’t the second example be S={B,R} since we either pick up a blue or red marble.

A second student then asked then why can’t we distinguish the letters in the first problem such that S={M,I1,S1,S2,I2,S3,S4,I3,P1,P2,I4}

I was a bit dumbfounded and could not give a convincing explanation. Any suggestions how should I better explain it?

The (correct) sample space depends on how the probability problem has been framed:

• The set of letters in “$$MISSISSIPPI$$” is indeed $$S_1=\{M,I,S,P\}.$$

In a probability experiment with sample space $$S_1,$$ $$P(M)=\frac1{11};P(I)=P(S)=\frac4{11};P(P)=\frac2{11}.$$

• On the other hand, we might prefer a classical probability experiment where all outcomes are equally likely. Distinguishing among different occurrences of each letter, our sample space is now $$S_2=\{M,I_1,S_1,S_2,I_2,S_3,S_4,I_3,P_1,P_2,I_4\}.$$

Here, the event $$\{I_1,I_2,I_3,I_4\}$$ of choosing letter $$I$$ has probability $$\frac4{11},$$ whereas the outcome $$I_2$$ has probability $$\frac1{11}.$$

• Hello @Ryan, thank you for your response. In that case, how would one phrase two probability questions differently such that the answer for one is S1 and another is S2? Can you give me examples of how the questions would be different to yield to different sample space using the MISSISSIPPI example above? – user15538 Mar 2 at 9:16
• @user15538 While searching MSE for “mississippi” examples to link to, I chanced upon the same question posted presumably by your student. Echoing @AnaanM’s answer there, from the respective contexts, I’d say that Q1 & Q2 have sample space $S_1,$ while Q3 has sample space $S_2.$ – Ryan G Mar 2 at 12:55

I don't agree with your explanation that there is any inherent difference in the bag of balls and the letters of Mississippi. I do think that the difference is how you define the sample space, ie as a space with equally like probabilities, or a set of distinguishable outcomes that do not have eqully likely probabilities.

If a sample space assumes that all probabilities are equally likely (which many treatments of probabilities do), then you would have to use S(1) ={M,I1,S1,S2,I2,S3,S4,I3,P1,P2,I4}