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Student. -Student: If the function g$g$ is such that g(x)= f(x-1)$g(x)= f(x-1)$, should not the graph of g be ,$g$ be at every point, 1 unit to the left of the graph of f$f$?

Teacher. -Teacher: Why do you think it should be the case?

Student. -Student: Well I see that in the equation g(x)$g(x)$ ( onon the left) becomes f(x-1)$f(x-1)$ ( onon the right). Apparently, the function symbol "f""$f$" is substituted for the function symbol " g"$g$" and the variable " x-1 "$x-1$" is substituted for the variable "x""$x$". So the X-coordinate of each " new"new point" decreases ofby 1 unit  , and the whole graph is moved 1 unit to the left.

Teacher.-Teacher: Let me ask you a question: which variable represents, according to you, the input of the function g$g$?

Student -Student: Normally it should be the variable x$x$, since the left side of the equation has " g(x)$g(x)$", but the whole equation says that instead of x$x$, the input becomes (x-1)$(x-1)$. In the expression " f (x-1)$f(x-1)$", does not the number (x-1)$(x-1)$ play the role of the input?

Teacher -Teacher: I think your mistake as to the direction of the transmormationtransformation comes precisely from not understanding that the inputs that g takes are represented by the letter " x"$x$". The number (x-1)$(x-1)$ does not play the role of input ( for gfor $g$) ;; it is simply "used" by the function-machine g$g$ ( soso to say) to calculate the image of x$x$ under g$g$.

Student -Student: Could you takeshow an example.?

Teacher. -Teacher: Let me take a general example. supposeSuppose that a point ( x, y)$(x, y)$ belongs to the graph of g$g$. Knowing that y$y$ is g(x)$g(x)$ and that g(x) = f(x-1)$g(x) = f(x-1)$, how could you rewrite the couple defining this point?

Student.-Student: Probably ( x-1, f(x-1) )$(x-1, f(x-1))$, no?

Teacher -Teacher: Why did you change the X-cordinatecoordinate of this point? You've "moved" that point to the left without any reason! The only new information I gave you is about " y"$y$" , not about " x"$x$".

Student-Student: You're right! Using the information you gave me, I'll now say that

                     (x, y) = ( x, (f(x-1)) 

$$(x, y) = (x, (f(x-1))$$

Teacher .-Teacher: Right! Now, tell me, which point belonging to the graph of f corrrespondscorresponds to our " g$g$-point"  : ( x, f(x-1)) $(x, f(x-1))$? Obviously, the Y-coordinate of that point is f(x-1)$f(x-1)$, but what is its X-coordinate?

Student.-Student: The answer is in the question itself, isn't it? It's obviously the point

                     (x-1, f(x-1) ) ! 

$$(x-1, f(x-1))$$

Teacher.-Teacher: I agree! But do you realize what it means? You've just told me that for any arbitrary point (x, y)$(x, y)$ belonging to the graph of g$g$, the corresponding point belonging to the graph of f$f$ has the same Y-cordinatecoordinate, but an X-coordinate that is smaller by 1 unit! That means that any arbitrary " g$g$-point" ( soso to say) is one unit to the RIGHT of it's corresponding point "f"$f$-point"!

Student.Student: If I now understand what I said myself, I've just claimed, contrary to what I contended at the beginning, that the transformation is a translation of the whole graph of f$f$ 1 unit to the RIGHT!

Teacher.-Teacher: That's what you said, actually!

Student. - If the function g is such that g(x)= f(x-1), should not the graph of g be , at every point, 1 unit to the left of the graph of f?

Teacher. - Why do you think it should be the case?

Student. - Well I see that in the equation g(x) ( on the left) becomes f(x-1) ( on the right). Apparently, the function symbol "f" is substituted for the function symbol " g" and the variable " x-1 " is substituted for the variable "x". So the X-coordinate of each " new point" decreases of 1 unit  , and the whole graph is moved 1 unit to the left.

Teacher.- Let me ask you a question: which variable represents, according to you, the input of the function g?

Student - Normally it should be the variable x, since the left side of the equation has " g(x)", but the whole equation says that instead of x, the input becomes (x-1). In the expression " f (x-1)", does not the number (x-1) play the role of the input?

Teacher - I think your mistake as to the direction of the transmormation comes precisely from not understanding that the inputs that g takes are represented by the letter " x". The number (x-1) does not play the role of input ( for g) ; it is simply "used" by the function-machine g ( so to say) to calculate the image of x under g.

Student - Could you take an example.

Teacher. - Let me take a general example. suppose that a point ( x, y) belongs to the graph of g. Knowing that y is g(x) and that g(x) = f(x-1), how could you rewrite the couple defining this point?

Student.- Probably ( x-1, f(x-1) ), no?

Teacher - Why did you change the X-cordinate of this point? You've "moved" that point to the left without any reason! The only new information I gave you is about " y" , not about " x".

Student- You're right! Using the information you gave me, I'll now say that

                     (x, y) = ( x, (f(x-1)) 

Teacher .- Right! Now, tell me, which point belonging to the graph of f corrresponds to our " g-point"  : ( x, f(x-1)) ? Obviously, the Y-coordinate of that point is f(x-1), but what is its X-coordinate?

Student.- The answer is in the question itself, isn't it? It's obviously the point

                     (x-1, f(x-1) ) ! 

Teacher.- I agree! But do you realize what it means? You've just told me that for any arbitrary point (x, y) belonging to the graph of g, the corresponding point belonging to the graph of f has the same Y-cordinate, but an X-coordinate that is smaller by 1 unit! That means that any arbitrary " g-point" ( so to say) is one unit to the RIGHT of it's corresponding point "f-point"!

Student. If I now understand what I said myself, I've just claimed, contrary to what I contended at the beginning, that the transformation is a translation of the whole graph of f 1 unit to the RIGHT!

Teacher.- That's what you said, actually!

Student: If the function $g$ is such that $g(x)= f(x-1)$, should not the graph of $g$ be at every point, 1 unit to the left of the graph of $f$?

Teacher: Why do you think it should be the case?

Student: Well I see that in the equation $g(x)$ (on the left) becomes $f(x-1)$ (on the right). Apparently, the function symbol "$f$" is substituted for the function symbol "$g$" and the variable "$x-1$" is substituted for the variable "$x$". So the X-coordinate of each "new point" decreases by 1 unit, and the whole graph is moved 1 unit to the left.

Teacher: Let me ask you a question: which variable represents, according to you, the input of the function $g$?

Student: Normally it should be the variable $x$, since the left side of the equation has "$g(x)$", but the whole equation says that instead of $x$, the input becomes $(x-1)$. In the expression "$f(x-1)$", does not the number $(x-1)$ play the role of the input?

Teacher: I think your mistake as to the direction of the transformation comes precisely from not understanding that the inputs that g takes are represented by the letter "$x$". The number $(x-1)$ does not play the role of input (for $g$); it is simply "used" by the function-machine $g$ (so to say) to calculate the image of $x$ under $g$.

Student: Could you show an example?

Teacher: Let me take a general example. Suppose that a point $(x, y)$ belongs to the graph of $g$. Knowing that $y$ is $g(x)$ and that $g(x) = f(x-1)$, how could you rewrite the couple defining this point?

Student: Probably $(x-1, f(x-1))$, no?

Teacher: Why did you change the X-coordinate of this point? You've "moved" that point to the left without any reason! The only new information I gave you is about "$y$" , not about "$x$".

Student: You're right! Using the information you gave me, I'll now say that

$$(x, y) = (x, (f(x-1))$$

Teacher: Right! Now, tell me, which point belonging to the graph of f corresponds to our "$g$-point": $(x, f(x-1))$? Obviously, the Y-coordinate of that point is $f(x-1)$, but what is its X-coordinate?

Student: The answer is in the question itself, isn't it? It's obviously the point

$$(x-1, f(x-1))$$

Teacher: I agree! But do you realize what it means? You've just told me that for any arbitrary point $(x, y)$ belonging to the graph of $g$, the corresponding point belonging to the graph of $f$ has the same Y-coordinate, but an X-coordinate that is smaller by 1 unit! That means that any arbitrary "$g$-point" (so to say) is one unit to the RIGHT of it's corresponding point "$f$-point"!

Student: If I now understand what I said myself, I've just claimed, contrary to what I contended at the beginning, that the transformation is a translation of the whole graph of $f$ 1 unit to the RIGHT!

Teacher: That's what you said, actually!

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Let me try something like that about function transmormationtransformation.

Let me try something like that about function transmormation.

Let me try something like that about function transformation.

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Teacher.- I agree! But do you realize what it means? You've just told me that for any arbitrary point (x, y) belonging to the graph of g, the corresponding point belonging to the graph of f has the same Y-cordinate, but an xX-coordinate that is smaller by 1 unit! That means that any arbitrary " g-point" ( so to say) is one unit to the RIGHT of it's corresponding point "f-point"!

Teacher.- I agree! But do you realize what it means? You've just told me that for any arbitrary point (x, y) belonging to the graph of g, the corresponding point belonging to the graph of f has the same Y-cordinate, but an x-coordinate that is smaller by 1 unit! That means that any arbitrary " g-point" ( so to say) is one unit to the RIGHT of it's corresponding point "f-point"!

Teacher.- I agree! But do you realize what it means? You've just told me that for any arbitrary point (x, y) belonging to the graph of g, the corresponding point belonging to the graph of f has the same Y-cordinate, but an X-coordinate that is smaller by 1 unit! That means that any arbitrary " g-point" ( so to say) is one unit to the RIGHT of it's corresponding point "f-point"!

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